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ensoriki · Nov 20, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

You know very little about Mesmer skills then....

You mean the few AOE's they have?

Things like Backfire/Empathy that make enemys go down faster?

I generally take a mesmer to pve, saved my ass a few times. >.> Im just speaking in general pve terms

Yichi · Nov 20, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

You mean the few AOE's they have?

Things like Backfire/Empathy that make enemys go down faster?

I generally take a mesmer to pve, saved my ass a few times. >.> Im just speaking in general pve terms

backfire and empathy arent aoe as they only effect one target....

Exhonour · Nov 20, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

i see a lot in pvp, in arenas, but they still suck -.-

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 20, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

During the Halloween event, A friend of mine caught a conversation in Nolani Acadamy where people were saying that Mesmers couldn't get GMC titles. (they were corrected!) That's an example of the typical ignorance the general GW PvE community has towards Mesmers. The cause of this is the "Mesmers suck in PvE" garbage that has gotten spewed out over the past couple years on forums like this one.

It's nice to see that this thread, aside from the occasional silly remark about SS > Empathy (well, duh! SS is the elite form of Empathy! They had to give it to Necros way back in the beginning because without it, Necros would have only had 14 elites & Mesmers would have had 16) to defend the anti-Mesmer position, has actually had some decent and somewhat valid points to it.

I think that one place that Mesmers excell over most professions is multiple target attacking (I'm not talking about AoE here and Curse Necros may [IDK] do as well). During the initial engagement of a battle, I can get 3 enemies doing damage to themselves rather quickly (echo + Backfire and/or Empathy -depending on mob make-up) and partially shut down a fouth with a couple of well-timed interrupts (usually an Ele or necro, since many of their skills take time to cast) on top of that, I can get a nice little AoE spike off, too. (Cry of pain!) I use this generic bar when out and about in the usual areas. I can adjust it a bit for special circumstances:

[skill]Echo[/skill][skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Empathy[/skill][skill]Cry of pain[/skill][skill]Energy Tap[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Leech Signet[/skill]+ whatever.
It's a little bit power hungry, but I usually have Eve along for a battery. This build works very, very well against Margonites using LB gaze and a reasonable LB rank.

The key is to know your enemy and the best way to use the skills against them as a group.

ensoriki · Nov 20, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

backfire and empathy arent aoe as they only effect one target....

Notice I have them on another line? Im not calling them AoE

To rephrase it since you read it wrong

The Few Aoe they have? OR Things like Backfire and Empathy?

Also Mesmers are great support casters if you want to stray from their original role

Me/E.

street peddler · Nov 20, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhonour

i see a lot in pvp, in arenas, but they still suck -.-

the discussion is their lack of anything useful in PVE...PVP is a different story (they own)

Exhonour · Nov 20, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

well to me they are big squishy balls, in pvp and pve, but if u got skillzez, thats another story

Redfeather1975 · Nov 21, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Guild Wars is primarily designed as a PvP game, with a PvE element tacked onto it.
Mesmers seem designed for PvP and have been kinda reworked in ways to fit into PvE just enough to get by.
They can do really well if a very specific build is used for the area, but it's easier to just go with other professions using their generic builds that work great in most PvE areas.

Silly Warrior · Nov 21, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

What is a mesmas?

I has a rangar and a derfish.

Zinger314 · Nov 21, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

I seriously hope no one who has posted in this thread is a stand-up comedian.

I was about to make a Mesmer before I began my GW hatred...but I saw no point. Who would accept them end-game?

unienaule · Nov 21, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

I seriously hope no one who has posted in this thread is a stand-up comedian.

I was about to make a Mesmer before I began my GW hatred...but I saw no point. Who would accept them end-game?

I'd say your guild... but... O SHI.

Keero89 · Nov 21, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Why don't you see any Mesmer in-game? Maybe it's because we are leveling our Warriors and Ele's up. :X

Plus my Necro is too much fun to pass up. xD

Kha · Nov 21, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

I was about to make a Mesmer before I began my GW hatred...but I saw no point. Who would accept them end-game?

Non-elitists? You know, the people who aren't caught up in thinking there is only one way to do everything. Just a thought...

Lyonette · Nov 21, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

idk where teh op has been playin... but i see mesmers everywhere in pve country... like srsly... eye check maybe bud?

idk why people think mesmers are a pvp-only class tho, i find my mesmer dude exceptionally useful in pve and alot of fun. sure i usually go straight out damage with a few interrupts, and fast cast ele is always fun [2 sec cast meteor shower ftw]...

and, the armor in gw:en is just so very delicious :3

william1975 · Nov 21, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

i see plenty around, i play mine incessently, generally does well in all areas, and plays some spects of pve better due to quicker casting

however in the end areas they like some others tend to be left out so i suppose more lay the trinity and other classes that replace them easily

mesmer is in a class of its own really

Tiny Killer · Nov 21, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

What is a "mesmas"?

Aera Lure · Nov 21, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

Non-elitists? You know, the people who aren't caught up in thinking there is only one way to do everything. Just a thought...

These days I tend not to form PUGs so often anymore. I rather like to play with guildies instead or, do some charity and have some fun and go join a random PUG or help some random person with something.

IF, however, I was forming a PUG, I'd be looking to take a mesmer. Always. Just too useful. Maybe wouldnt hold a party up to wait for one, but certainly wouldnt be turning one down. Difficult for me to understand someone not wishing to take one honestly. Have to agree that its a common mindset though.

R_Frost · Nov 21, 2007, 04:06 AM // 04:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

During the Halloween event, A friend of mine caught a conversation in Nolani Acadamy where people were saying that Mesmers couldn't get GMC titles. (they were corrected!) That's an example of the typical ignorance the general GW PvE community has towards Mesmers. The cause of this is the "Mesmers suck in PvE" garbage that has gotten spewed out over the past couple years on forums like this one.

It's nice to see that this thread, aside from the occasional silly remark about SS > Empathy (well, duh! SS is the elite form of Empathy! They had to give it to Necros way back in the beginning because without it, Necros would have only had 14 elites & Mesmers would have had 16) to defend the anti-Mesmer position, has actually had some decent and somewhat valid points to it.

I think that one place that Mesmers excell over most professions is multiple target attacking (I'm not talking about AoE here and Curse Necros may [IDK] do as well). During the initial engagement of a battle, I can get 3 enemies doing damage to themselves rather quickly (echo + Backfire and/or Empathy -depending on mob make-up) and partially shut down a fouth with a couple of well-timed interrupts (usually an Ele or necro, since many of their skills take time to cast) on top of that, I can get a nice little AoE spike off, too. (Cry of pain!) I use this generic bar when out and about in the usual areas. I can adjust it a bit for special circumstances:

[skill]Echo[/skill][skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Empathy[/skill][skill]Cry of pain[/skill][skill]Energy Tap[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Leech Signet[/skill]+ whatever.
It's a little bit power hungry, but I usually have Eve along for a battery. This build works very, very well against Margonites using LB gaze and a reasonable LB rank.

The key is to know your enemy and the best way to use the skills against them as a group.

yeah i played a bar very close to that with my mesmer while also leveling her up on the way to legendary survivor. finished tyria, got past the desolation and to eternal grove and gyala hatchery using my version of that bar with ease. me and my trusty hero/henchies had a blast. once i got Gwen the 2 of us had a blast. 2 mesmers, one Dom and one Illusion, no stinkin Ele's or curses necro to screw up agro with AoE spells. its fun spreading empathy or backfire and watching the enemy just sit there killing themselfs without running away.

Res Ipsi · Nov 21, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aera Lure

IF, however, I was forming a PUG, I'd be looking to take a mesmer. Always. Just too useful. Maybe wouldnt hold a party up to wait for one, but certainly wouldnt be turning one down. Difficult for me to understand someone not wishing to take one honestly. Have to agree that its a common mindset though.

I think monks (assuming this is your primary) have a better appreciation for what mesmers do in PvE than any other class - probably because a good mesmer makes the monk's job easier. I'm referring to a balanced build here, not the Ursan or para-rampaging teams that slash their way through PvE. Some people prefer to play the game with finesse.

pumpkin pie · Nov 21, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

[skill]Echo[/skill][skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Empathy[/skill][skill]Cry of pain[/skill][skill]Energy Tap[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Leech Signet[/skill]+ whatever.
It's a little bit power hungry, but I usually have Eve along for a battery. This build works very, very well against Margonites using LB gaze and a reasonable LB rank.

The key is to know your enemy and the best way to use the skills against them as a group.

Can I have the code for that skill bar please? thanks